Wednesday, January 7, 2015

Krishnamurti Nonsense - Part One - Mind and Brain.

Once, some people have accepted that Krishnamurti is a World Teacher, without denying the fact, Krishnamurti used to imply the same by different means, which I would deal in many of the future post as well. Apart from directly implying that he is a Word teacher, he used to imply the same by other means as well, indirectly.

One of the other means he used, is to discuss topics, which are out of his perspective of expertise, but born out of the confidence, that none of his followers had a simple knowledge of what he speaks about, which was well prepared before hand, and even if an expert to be there in the audience, he would not raise questions, once he understands, that Krishnamurti was talking on the particular subject, without having any proper knowledge of it, hence he will understand, it is foolish, to raise questions.

These 'Nonsense' topics, Krishnamurti discussed had no relationship to his 'Core' teaching, but he tried to relate them to it, creating funny and inconsistencies there.

Let us examine one of the such topic Krishnamurti discussed, which is about Mind and Brain.

Quote K:

So, what is the mind? Obviously, the mind is our total awareness or consciousness; it is the total way of our existence, the whole process of our thinking. The mind is the result of the brain. The brain produces the mind. Without the brain there is no mind, but the mind is separate from the brain. It is the child of the brain. If the brain is limited, damaged, the mind is also damaged. The brain, which records every sensation, every feeling of pleasure or pain, the brain with all its tissues, with all its responses, creates what we call the mind, although the mind is independent of the brain. (J. Krishnamurti, The Book of Life).


Talks by Krishnamurti in India 1959 New Delhi, Madras.

End of the Quote.

Krishnamurti says, "The mind is the result of the brain." How does he say this? Did he know that he had a brain inside his skull? Even if he believed the scientists who say there is a brain inside the skull, did he know that mind is the result of the brain? So it is evident that Krishnamurti believed the scientists who say that there is a Brain inside the skull and, he further believed the neuro-scientists who say that 'thinking' , 'memory', etc., which are mind attributes or mind functions, are related to brain, but none have said that one is the result of the other.

What if these scientist change their theorems, as usually they do, when they find new evidences, as they have already done, one may be aware, where now they say, even the stomach is also a cause or a reason, producing thinking.

Hence, it is evident, by believing the scientific informations available by that time, Krishnamurti had concluded, that 'the Mind is the result of the brain'.
I am surprised at the Krishnamurti followers, who say that they are not conditioned, by believing on anything, whereas their teacher, Krishnamurti, was believing in science and giving that inaccurate knowledge of the same, as his spiritual understanding.

Mind is what we experience as thinking, emotions, feelings, awareness, etc., etc. When there is a cold wind, we experience the same on our body, on our skins, as a sensation of the cold. Are we going to conclude this body and skin is as a part of Mind? No. Body is body, but not mind. but there is a relationship, and none is an outcome or result of the other.

Was not Krishnamurti, conditioned by this scientific information? Can any one experience one's brain as one experiences his mind? Then, how did Krishnamurti experienced his brain, to conclude that the, mind as the outcome of the brain? Mind as the result of the brain?

There are animals which don't have brain. How do they function? how do they identify their prey or food? How do a single celled Amoeba, function?

Quote K:

And walking on that road, there was complete emptiness of the brain , and the mind was free of all experience, the knowing of yesterday, though a thousand yesterdays have been. Time, the thing of thought, had stopped; literally there was no movement before and after; there was no going or arriving or standing still. Space as distance was not; there were the hills and bushes but not as high and low. There was no relationship with anything but there was an awareness of the bridge and the passer-by. The totality of the mind, in which is the brain with its thoughts and feelings, was empty; and because it was empty, there was energy, a deepening and widening energy without measure. All comparison, measurement belong to thought and so to time. The otherness was the mind without time; it was the breath of innocence and immensity. Words are not reality; they are only means of communication but they are not the innocence and the immeasurable. The emptiness was alone.

Krishnamurti's Notebook | 20th October to 20th November 1961.

End of the Quote.

Here again Krishnamurti says there is a definite relationship or out come or result of the Brain, which is the mind. Hence, the "brain has to empty itself to mind to be empty".

No spiritual teacher in the past have said that the Mind as an out come of the brain, on one in the present, and no one will be in the future. If that is the case, there is a possibility that the scientists finding a way to stimulate the brain to remove the sufferings, as where they would remove the reasons for the sufferings, such as Anger, Desire, Lust, Ego and ignorance.

But in the case of Krishnamurti and similar people, who suffer, not due to the above reasons, but because of the Divided, fragmented minds, which creates, doubt, fear and insecurity, when they think, thus rectifying their brains, for the missing mind attributes, which is the cause of the Fragmentation, bringing the mind to a whole, complete state. Then they will be able to think without any fear, doubts, insecurity.
Therefore, they don't have to rely on a Pathless solution.

Looking at those two quote of the Krishnamurti, it is evident that when one tries to understand them, thinking that there is a meaning in them, definitely he will be led to some wilderness, imaginations, which some of them find difficult to undo, and come out clean, to think afresh in a factual way, in a healthy way, seeing through the loops of Krishnamurti.

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1 comment:

  1. Mind first. Brain second. When the brain, which functions by means of thought, realizes that the thought process is limited and can not perceive the unlimited, stops trying to figure it out and becomes quiet then the Mind may then be perceived.
    Mind is the transient aspect of consciousness.

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